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We started this podcast with No script. No expectations. Nothing.
Just two microphones, two curious hearts, and a shared belief that our conversations, those funny, strange, heartfelt musings over morning coffee, might be worth remembering. And maybe even sharing.
That idea became The Writer and The Musician.
And for Episode 1, we decided to talk about… nothing.
But not the boring kind of nothing. The kind of nothing that means something—that holds space for imagination, creativity, and surprise.
Like the blank page before a story begins
The silence between notes that makes the melody sing
Or the moment you say “snuggle” and the cat actually comes running (maybe)
In Episode 1 “Everything and Nothing” we explore:
- Why nothing might be the birthplace of everything
- Sensory deprivation, meditation, and imaginary worlds
- The yin and yang of connection and aloneness
- Whether saying nipples boosts your listeners
- Funk legends, The Mighty Boosh, and drinking Baileys from a shoe
It’s a little ridiculous. A little profound. A little bit of everything wrapped in a whole lot of nothing—and somehow, it feels like home.
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Episode 1 Everything and Nothing
[00:00:00] The Musician: Hey Everybody.
[00:00:11] The Writer: I’m The Writer
[00:00:13] The Musician: and I’m The Musician, and today we’re going to talk about nothing
[00:00:18] The Writer: Oh, that’s it. Are we done?
[00:00:22] The Musician: We might talk about something. We might even talk about everything. But listening to it, it might seem like nothing I’ve heard it said that the nothing in your art defines something. It’s the negative space that is important.
[00:00:40] The Writer: I have the first podcast giggles happening.
[00:00:43] The Musician: That’s something.
[00:00:44] The Writer: But we have our coffee and we have our cheers.
[00:00:47] The Musician: Oh, we do have coffee.
[00:00:49] The Writer: And that right there is everything because
[00:00:51] The Musician: Cheers, everyone.
[00:00:52] The Writer: That’s how we start, you know? That’s how we start and roll with the day and everything. And nothing cheers [00:01:00] to everything and nothing
[00:01:02] The Musician: when you have nothing. That’s a very empty space, and when you put something in that empty space that something becomes everything. That’s the simplicity of life is if you have everything all at once, like say you put everything in the whole world into a picture, that picture would be far too crowded.
[00:01:27] The Musician: You wouldn’t be able to focus on anything, and you need to be able to focus on something. So you take a lot of things out. And now you just have something in the middle of a field of nothing. Nothing can be something in and of itself. Like in the Beatles yellow submarine, they find the sea of holes and Ringo is actually able to pick up a hole and put it in his pocket.
[00:01:59] The Musician: And he says, [00:02:00] “Now I have a hole in me pocket.”
[00:02:06] The Musician: Have you seen Yellow Submarine?
[00:02:08] The Writer: I’ve actually never seen that.
[00:02:10] The Musician: Oh no.
[00:02:12] The Writer: We gotta put that on our list of things to watch.
[00:02:14] The Musician: It’s not even The Beatles. Those were some other voices.
[00:02:19] The Writer: Oh, is it in animation?
[00:02:20] The Musician: It’s an animation. And it’s not even the Beatles Real Voices, just their music and some fun fantasy.
[00:02:27] The Writer: What you said, like that example.
[00:02:29] The Writer: It, um. I mean, that opens so many doors. That’s the thing, is nothing actually opens so many doors to new things.
[00:02:40] The Musician: It’s a good place to start, like meditation, trying to get your mind to focus on nothing.
[00:02:47] The Writer: It’s almost like the power or the energy becomes stronger in that space.
[00:02:53] The Musician: Oh, yes.
[00:02:55] The Writer: Which can make your art more stronger
[00:02:57] The Musician: in the blank, uncluttered mind when you [00:03:00] suddenly have a thought.
[00:03:02] The Musician: You can really focus on that thought because it’s the only one versus like a chattering mind, the monkey mind overthinking, overanalyzing. Too many thoughts, too much conversation a din. Then suddenly you can focus.
[00:03:22] The Writer: Is that why when say for example, I go to the art room and I’m just sitting there. I haven’t even yet started on my writing.
[00:03:32] The Writer: But I’m just sitting there and I’m actually doing nothing at all. But then I start to feel really big and spacious inside of myself. And like something about what’s happening grows.
[00:03:48] The Musician: Yes.
[00:03:48] The Writer: And. So that nothing, there’s really something to that. Nothing.
[00:03:53] The Musician: But you said you weren’t doing anything and I wasn’t.
[00:03:55] The Musician: And you were doing something.
[00:03:56] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:03:56] The Musician: You were sitting.
[00:03:57] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:03:58] The Musician: So sitting was the [00:04:00] thing you were doing. Not doing nothing. And if you lay down, laying is the thing you’re doing.
[00:04:04] The Writer: Like Winnie the Pooh, it was like up in the tree, saw doing nothing is doing something.
[00:04:10] The Musician: Yes. Until you’re in sensory deprivation. In a sensory deprivation tank, you are floating.
[00:04:18] The Musician: Which I guess is still something, but it tricks your brain into feeling like you are in zero gravity. You’re in space, you’re just floating. You’re just not, not,
[00:04:31] The Writer: I always wanted to go there
[00:04:32] The Musician: connected to the ground. You’re, you’re just there without any, uh, input from your eyes. You’re in darkness. There’s no smells, there’s no, no feeling.
[00:04:42] The Writer: I wonder how long, long I would last there or you would last there.
[00:04:45] The Musician: You start to hallucinate. Your brain starts to play tricks on you.
[00:04:51] The Writer: Such a trickster like altered states.
[00:04:56] The Musician: In altered states. He would go into the sensory decoration tanks and then [00:05:00] flip out.
[00:05:01] The Writer: I like altered states.
[00:05:06] The Writer: I think Speckoi is in an altered state. She’s on my lap when she’s purring. Everybody my cat’s name, our cat’s name is Speckoi.
[00:05:16] The Musician: I guarantee try as you might. Nobody will ever spell it correctly. The other cat’s name is Oreo, A black and white kitty.
[00:05:27] The Writer: Yes. And Speckoi. I actually have to make her a dictionary because she knows so many words that I’m gonna make her a dictionary.
[00:05:38] The Writer: She knows the word snuggle everybody. Okay, so when you yell. In the house, you’re in bed. All of a sudden you yell, snuggle, and then she’ll actually come sometimes, not all, not every single time, but she’ll come at times. So yeah, [00:06:00] she knows other words like bird. She knows flowers ’cause she likes to smell flowers.
[00:06:06] The Writer: She knows cute. She knows the word avocado.
[00:06:13] The Musician: My joke is that she doesn’t know any of the words. She just knows the tone of the voice and responds to it. So snuggle means avocado. Avocado means bird. Bird means flower. And all of them are the same word. But uh, maybe.
[00:06:34] The Writer: But right now she’s doing nothing.
[00:06:38] The Musician: She perked up.
[00:06:39] The Writer: Oh,
[00:06:40] The Musician: she’s like nothing. Are you kidding? This is everything.
[00:06:43] The Writer: Oh, I tell you, we have to do nothing more often.
[00:06:51] The Musician: Oh. What would you do if you had a million dollars and in Office Space? He jokes : nothing.
[00:07:00] The Writer: You know, yesterday, like I never buy lottery tickets, but my sister and my nephew, when we go on walks, you know, we talk a lot about all the things and the last walk that we took, we talked about if we won the lottery, what kind of things would you buy?
[00:07:20] The Writer: So we ended up, um. Talking about all these things we would buy, and I bought a lottery ticket yesterday. This is something that never happens, like I never do that. But I ended up winning $4. Oh. And I told them, I said, I’m gonna share with you wherever I win, where I’m sharing it soon, where is it? The next walk that it I, we go on with sis and my nephew Beckett.
[00:07:47] The Writer: I’m gonna bring them each a dollar.
[00:07:51] The Musician: Where’s that? Four bucks?
[00:07:53] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:07:53] The Musician: I wanna make it rain. You’re rich.
[00:07:55] The Writer: We just won last night, but you gotta start somewhere. And so I’m like, hell [00:08:00] yeah. I won $4. Next time it could be 10,000. Let’s check it out.
[00:08:05] The Musician: And then we could buy 10,000 lottery tickets.
[00:08:09] The Writer: No, I’m just gonna get my Sis hot tub in our backyard.
[00:08:13] The Writer: And Beckett, he wants some like thing for his game that he’s creating. He’s. Like a little genius. He, you know, creates all the characters in a game and draws them and everything like that. So he wants some imaginary thing going on. So I’m like, okay. I don’t know how I’m gonna get that for you, but I’ll try.
[00:08:34] The Musician: Oh, wow. To be spending money on, uh, the intangible.
[00:08:38] The Writer: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:40] The Musician: Maybe we could get him some Bitcoin.
[00:08:43] The Writer: Oh, that’s a good idea.
[00:08:44] The Musician: Fake money for his fake world.
[00:08:47] The Writer: Oh.
[00:08:48] The Musician: Or virtual, I shouldn’t say fake. Yeah. That’s, that’s, uh, condescending or, uh,
[00:08:53] The Writer: to him it’s so real. That’s another
[00:08:55] The Musician: big time
[00:08:56] The Writer: way to expand this conversation [00:09:00] because the imagination, people say, oh, it’s not real.
[00:09:05] The Writer: You know, it’s fantasy, but the imagination is so real.
[00:09:11] The Musician: Oh, yeah. For some people too real. The imaginary, yeah. Is more real than the actual world. And they, they, uh, have a hard time living in the real world because their imagination is so rich
[00:09:27] The Writer: and it’s so much better than the real living. Sometimes that’s too,
[00:09:31] The Musician: too judgmental.
[00:09:33] The Writer: Well, better, I think if you’re an artist, you know, there’s might be, there’s something to it. There’s a lot of joy there. There’s a lot of freedom because, you know. You are not controlled or in constraints or in these shackles that sometimes you feel in the world and then you go to your imagination and it’s so free.
[00:09:55] The Musician: Well, there again, there’s that, that rub the money. If you had a million [00:10:00] dollars, what would you do? And, and the answer for so many people is whatever I want. Uh, Hunter Thompson had a group of buddies and they used to prove that if you had enough money, you could do anything. They would wander into some building and and break something or steal something or do what’s unthinkable, then just hand somebody like $10,000 and say, are we cool?
[00:10:27] The Writer: Like Oprah?
[00:10:28] The Musician: And most people would say,
[00:10:30] The Writer: does anything, oh, she’s so wonderful.
[00:10:32] The Musician: $10,000 we’re cool.
[00:10:36] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:10:38] The Musician: as if money cures everything. So there’s a freedom in society. Oh, right. The more money you have. Right. But once you don’t have enough money to cover your actions, then there are limitations. There’s things you can’t do.
[00:10:52] The Musician: And there’s that pesky morality thing, like trying to be moral, trying to be good to others. There’s a,
[00:10:59] The Writer: why do you say [00:11:00] pesky?
[00:11:01] The Musician: It’s a joke.
[00:11:03] The Writer: Uh,
[00:11:03] The Musician: it’s, it’s a joke about, you know. You’re saying, what can you do? You can do anything. Well, you definitely would want to not hurt others or do some really horrible things.
[00:11:14] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:11:15] The Musician: There’s morality that gets in the way of not in the way. Yeah.
[00:11:18] The Writer: You wanna like push the edge. ’cause the pushing the edge is fun, but you know, when you start to like hurt others or betray others, then it’s not fun anymore.
[00:11:28] The Musician: No, no. I mean, you joke, you know, not for them, but once you have. A really loving heart.
[00:11:35] The Musician: Anything you did to someone else, you’d be doing to yourself and you would feel it, you’d be all connected.
[00:11:42] The Writer: Yeah. Like Speckoi or does that,
[00:11:45] The Musician: I think there is, so that’s where the joke of pesky morality, like there, there is the, the truth to that is, is then morality is a filter. Trying to connect you more to life, nature, the [00:12:00] world and humanity.
[00:12:03] The Musician: By saying that, treat others as you would treat yourself so that we can feel that connection. There can be peace.
[00:12:11] The Writer: Ah, cheers to that.
[00:12:14] The Musician: Cheers to that.
[00:12:19] The Writer: Mmm.
[00:12:21] The Musician: As Jimi Hendrix said,
[00:12:23] The Writer: I’m gulping to that one.
[00:12:26] The Musician: I’m pouring the coffee on my face and letting it just drip down my body.
[00:12:31] The Writer: It’s dripping down my chin.
[00:12:33] The Musician: Everybody check out all my drip,
[00:12:35] The Writer: my nipples, my kneecaps.
[00:12:38] The Musician: There we go. Oh wow.
[00:12:39] The Writer: My toes.
[00:12:40] The Musician: We just got a lot more listeners.
[00:12:42] The Writer: Speckoi.
[00:12:43] The Musician: The moment you said nipples, I saw a spike in our listenership.
[00:12:47] The Musician: Wow.
[00:12:51] The Writer: Speckoi was all, I’m outta here. You’re dripping coffee on me.
[00:12:55] The Musician: So anyway, Jimi Hendrix had said, when the [00:13:00] power of love overcomes the love of power, there will be peace.
[00:13:04] The Writer: Oh yes. And that’s what makes me go like, what the heck? Terry on America’s Got Talent was like power. That’s my word,
[00:13:15] The Musician: right?
[00:13:15] The Writer: I’m like, what? Because I really like Terry. Terry’s cool. I like his clothes, I like his shoes, his everything. His jumping like pecs or whatever.
[00:13:26] The Musician: There’s a power in his nipples power
[00:13:31] The Writer: and it cre simultaneously creeps me out and fascinates me at the same time. I’m like, how do you do that?
[00:13:39] The Musician: He, he’s got talented nipples,
[00:13:41] The Writer: dancing nipples too, salsa, dancing nipples,
[00:13:44] The Musician: and that’s his power.
[00:13:47] The Writer: It’s so powerful.
[00:13:50] The Musician: We can actually get back to talking about nothing, because for a while now we’ve been talking about something.
[00:13:59] The Musician: We [00:14:00] haven’t talked about everything yet.
[00:14:01] The Writer: Yeah, that’s for later in the podcast.
[00:14:03] The Musician: Eventually, if you put all our podcasts together, we would have talked about everything.
[00:14:08] The Writer: Oh yeah.
[00:14:08] The Musician: Until then, we’ll just keep,
[00:14:10] The Writer: we have plans,
[00:14:11] The Musician: finding something to talk about, and hopefully at some point, you know, we don’t find ourselves with nothing to talk about at all.
[00:14:18] The Writer: We’ll be like, the characters on the anime, the enlightened characters I’d like are just,
[00:14:25] The Musician: hm!
[00:14:26] The Writer: hm!
[00:14:28] The Musician: And that’s the reaction to everything.
[00:14:30] The Writer: OSS!, I love Hunter X Hunter.
[00:14:36] The Musician: You know, the, the, there is that theory that the nothingness is what connects us, or the darkness is what connects us. Like everyone would say that they’re looking for the light, and we’d all find this glowing light that would connect us all in peace.
[00:14:50] The Musician: But truly, there’s another connection that when you’re asleep. There’s an unconsciousness and we’re all connected by that. We [00:15:00] look for things that, that connect people, and that’s one thing that does connect us. Everybody when they go to sleep goes to unconscious, a darkness where they’re unaware of, you know, besides like, say dreams or something like that.
[00:15:15] The Musician: But there’s definitely a place where you’re not seeing any light and you’re not hearing any sounds and you’re, you’re just in your sleep in darkness.
[00:15:23] The Writer: Mm. So restful, so peaceful. How did it ever come about that darkness is scary. It’s so peaceful.
[00:15:32] The Musician: Well, it’s not inherently scary. We give it meaning some people are very afraid of the dark and some people are very comfortable.
[00:15:41] The Musician: Like if I’m wandering around at night. I am more comfortable without say a flashlight or a headlamp. I just like my eyes adjusting to the dark and walking by moonlight, but I used to be afraid of the dark.
[00:15:56] The Writer: Did you?
[00:15:57] The Musician: When I was a kid.
[00:15:58] The Writer: When, yeah.
[00:15:59] The Musician: [00:16:00] I think it kind of happened to me once. My brother scared me really bad.
[00:16:06] The Musician: He was hiding under the bed.
[00:16:08] The Writer: What did he do?
[00:16:09] The Musician: I kept calling for him ’cause I thought he was there. In the room somewhere and he wouldn’t make any noise for a long time. And then when I got up to go to turn the light on, he grabbed me quick and said, ah!
[00:16:28] The Writer: Did he grab like your ankles?
[00:16:30] The Musician: I don’t remember. He probably
[00:16:32] The Writer: just grabbed you.
[00:16:32] The Musician: Yeah, I just remember. Yeah. Just suddenly being like terrified, screaming, crying.
[00:16:37] The Writer: Aw, that’s so wild.
[00:16:40] The Musician: And then I needed the night light. For a long time, needed to like light.
[00:16:45] The Writer: I do like a weird thing when I’m really scared if someone scares me like that. I do some weird little twitch thing where like I’m actually, I don’t scream.
[00:16:57] The Writer: I’m actually incredibly [00:17:00] quiet and still, but then I do this involuntary, like mmt in my whole body.
[00:17:11] The Musician: That’s how you survive a bear attack. Just very still play dead.
[00:17:16] The Writer: So I’m like a possum
[00:17:23] The Musician: smart move
[00:17:24] The Writer: to do nothing, smart.
[00:17:26] The Musician: Maybe. What if the scream of terror is what freaks the monster into attacking you
[00:17:32] The Writer: into more like violent frenzy? Your
[00:17:35] The Musician: violent scream is like what? What provokes the monster? If you had just been more calm
[00:17:41] The Writer: and they would kill me because I’m screaming so loud and annoyingly, they’re like, you know, get rid of the sound as fast as possible.
[00:17:56] The Musician: Comfortable silence or uncomfortable silence.
[00:17:59] The Writer: [00:18:00] So comfortable
[00:18:01] The Musician: not for the listener.
[00:18:03] The Writer: Oh,
[00:18:04] The Musician: they’d be on the edge of their seat. What on earth are they gonna talk about next? Nothing. Something?
[00:18:11] The Writer: Yeah. What about nothing Are they gonna talk about next?
[00:18:16] The Musician: Nothing. There’s nothing to say. Words can’t describe the nothing.
[00:18:23] The Musician: Only silence could describe the nothing
[00:18:26] The Writer: to me personally. I feel a really strong creative impulse within the Nothing almost similar actually, that I would think as like the Big bang, for example, when that happened, that creative impulse that just vibrated like wild.
[00:18:43] The Musician: Oh, like it had to happen?
[00:18:45] The Writer: Yes.
[00:18:45] The Musician: There was nothing there.
[00:18:47] The Writer: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:48] The Musician: And creation had to happen in that space?
[00:18:53] The Writer: Yes.
[00:18:54] The Musician: Interesting. But theoretically, everything was there no matter can [00:19:00] be created nor destroyed. Like. Singularity, everything was there and it burst and spread out to become the universe in that field of nothingness
[00:19:12] The Writer: and to gorgeousness.
[00:19:14] The Musician: I had heard an interesting theory that that’s the one thing that in the singularity was unknown, was loneliness.
[00:19:22] The Musician: There’s no loneliness when everything is connected and everything is there. So the universe had to become separate pieces and spread out. And as it’s theoretically growing, there’s a, there’s supposed to be a movement in the universe that is growing and spreading and, you know, uh, birth of more stars. And as everything expansion expands, the universe is learning more and more about loneliness that it never knew in the singularity about a separateness.
[00:19:55] The Writer: There must be some purpose to that of what you say about connection [00:20:00] being alongside aloneness. For me, when I know my aloneness, I feel more connected in life because I’ve been there and I’m not sure if it has something to do. Maybe with the yin and the yang, like once you know your darkness, then you know your light
[00:20:18] The Musician: and vice versa.
[00:20:19] The Musician: That even the more you know about. Connection. The more you feel loneliness and the more you know about loneliness, the more you feel connection when it’s there.
[00:20:31] The Writer: And why does it bounce back and forth? Sometimes there’s this movement
[00:20:36] The Musician: only cause they can’t happen simultaneously, or can you? I’ve, I’ve been inside of a huge gathering and felt completely alone and, uh, maybe, maybe we.
[00:20:52] The Musician: Feel a bounce back and forth when they’re both happening at the same time.
[00:20:57] The Writer: I wonder if for me, [00:21:00] the center, it does have that quality of connection and aloneness actually swirling kind of like it’s a nebula or something. I think it’s got this,
[00:21:12] The Musician: which would say we choose our choice to be. Lonely or our choice to feel connection.
[00:21:20] The Writer: That’s powerful. That’s like Terry’s nipples.
[00:21:28] The Musician: I think every time you say nipples, we get like 10 more listeners, maybe a hundred more listeners.
[00:21:35] The Writer: We won the listener lottery. We have 5 million more listeners.
[00:21:41] The Musician: Nipples,
[00:21:41] The Writer: nipples.
[00:21:45] The Musician: Is it a scientific term
[00:21:46] The Writer: coffee dripping from my nipples? What
[00:21:48] The Musician: is that? The scientific term? What nipple, or is that just slang?
[00:21:54] The Writer: For what?
[00:21:55] The Musician: For a nipple.
[00:21:57] The Writer: Oh,
[00:21:57] The Musician: that part of your body. Does it have a name [00:22:00] like the weenis is the scientific term for the end of your elbow.
[00:22:06] The Writer: Yes. Yes. We have to be able to, um, identify the nipples. It’s very important.
[00:22:11] The Musician: Well, no, I just wanna make sure if it’s scientific, we could say the word. If it’s slang, we might actually be cursing in our first podcast over and over and over again.
[00:22:20] The Musician: Well pandering. Just for listeners,
[00:22:23] The Writer: the long name for nipples is nipplonious.
[00:22:30] The Musician: Call in if you have the answer and tell us the phone number is
[00:22:36] The Writer: 1-800-NIPPLES.
[00:22:40] The Musician: I wish I actually knew, um, the number to provide. I would, I would give this fake number and when people call it, it would say, I am Groot. And it’s for girls when they want to give a phone number to someone, that’s not their number, but it seems [00:23:00] like they’re giving someone a number.
[00:23:02] The Musician: There’s a rejection hotline and it says, you know, when you call. You know, uh, thank you for calling the person that you’ve asked for their phone number did not want to give you the phone number, but they really wanted to be nice to you. Nice enough to give you this
[00:23:16] The Writer: I am Groot.
[00:23:18] The Musician: is not their number.
[00:23:20] The Musician: No. Then the other one you call, all it says is, I am Groot. I am Groot.
[00:23:25] The Writer: Oh, that person would be like, oh, I hope I get to go on a date.
[00:23:29] The Musician: Yeah, I’m call. I’m gonna call him. I’m gonna call him. And then they call and it’s, I am Groot. And you want to feel sad, but then you might laugh. You
[00:23:37] The Writer: might laugh and you might be like, okay, you might giggle and
[00:23:39] The Musician: think, oh, now I even want to date em more.
[00:23:41] The Musician: ‘Cause they’re hilarious.
[00:23:43] The Writer: Aw,
[00:23:45] The Musician: I hope I run into that person again.
[00:23:47] The Writer: Or you just say, no, I don’t wanna give my number to you, but oh,
[00:23:51] The Musician: which is better to say nothing. Or to say something
[00:23:55] The Writer: in that case
[00:23:56] The Musician: or to give ’em everything.
[00:23:57] The Writer: In that case, give them the phone number to Groot. I am Groot. [00:24:00]
[00:24:01] The Musician: You wanna let people down gently, or it’s just such a quick way out, like, hey girl, gimme them digits, and hopefully you’ve memorized that groot number.
[00:24:12] The Musician: I’ve gotta memorize it. That’s squad goals.
[00:24:15] The Writer: Is that what you said when you met me? Hey girl, give me those digits
[00:24:20] The Musician: you didn’t call?
[00:24:21] The Writer: Actually, I said something to him, I said, you have beautiful eyes. And then he perked up like,
[00:24:31] The Musician: who wouldn’t
[00:24:32] The Writer: like a cat with the ears? You know, like, and turned his head like
[00:24:37] The Musician: what?
[00:24:38] The Musician: The eyes being the window to the soul.
[00:24:40] The Writer: And actually that’s the thing is ’cause he. Turned his head. So I actually said it to him when he wasn’t looking at me because I was watching him talking to someone at the party, and I was staring at him, just staring and like in this euphoric space in myself [00:25:00] while watching him talk to this person and just, mm.
[00:25:06] The Musician: And I turned my head and I coughed,
[00:25:08] The Writer: and then he sneezed all over me.
[00:25:16] The Musician: Best day of my life.
[00:25:22] The Writer: Yeah, that was fun. That was a really wonderful night. And we went out dancing, although I danced, he didn’t dance at all. It was with a group of people.
[00:25:33] The Musician: As a musician, you would think I’d be more into dancing, but somehow. I am listening so intently to the music.
[00:25:41] The Writer: Yeah. You were dancing on the inside
[00:25:44] The Musician: that Yeah. I don’t, my body doesn’t, I don’t think about like dancing. I, I, I’m, I’m thinking about the complexity of the music or thinking about the beats and the melodies and harmonies, and that’s all going through me. I experience music in a different way, but I know how important dance is, [00:26:00] like the more people dancing, it amplifies the music.
[00:26:03] The Musician: Dancing is actually connected, so connected to the music that that. The more people you have in a crowd dancing to the music, it actually raises the vibration.
[00:26:15] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:26:16] The Musician: Brings everyone to a higher level. I get it. Power of dance.
[00:26:20] The Writer: That movement.
[00:26:21] The Musician: Like even hip hop, true hip hop, you can’t have true hip hop without dancing, without break dancers.
[00:26:27] The Musician: Oh, you need the mc, the dj, the break dancer, and the graffiti artist. You need all four elements to have true hip hop.
[00:26:34] The Writer: I love the crumping. The crumping. That deep. Just so deep. Like you just want Mm,
[00:26:46] The Musician: like the power of the crimp.
[00:26:48] The Writer: Yeah. And that too
[00:26:51] The Musician: for any mighty Bush fans out there that have gone beyond old Gregg and seen more episodes than simply Old Gregg.[00:27:00]
[00:27:00] The Writer: Old Gregg,
[00:27:01] The Musician: 50 Shades of Gregg.
[00:27:07] The Writer: Do you want some Bailey’s in a shoe?
[00:27:10] The Musician: I saw George Clinton pouring Bailey’s into a shoe.
[00:27:14] The Writer: Did you really like you? He’s a fan of the, actually, it’s probably the other way around, but of course Bootsy is a fan of George Clinton.
[00:27:22] The Musician: Of course they are. But of course, because Bootsy Collins is mentioned in the episode.
[00:27:27] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:27:28] The Musician: they would, yeah. Somebody would get to George Clinton be like. Oh my God. Have you heard, have you heard what the Boosh said about the funk taken out of context? That just sounds like nonsense. Have you heard what the Boosh said about the funk?
[00:27:47] The Writer: That sounds so funky. It
[00:27:49] The Musician: just sounds silly. Like completely made up words. Yeah. Nonsense. Overheard at a party while drinking Bailey’s from a shoe. [00:28:00]
[00:28:00] The Writer: Cheers.
[00:28:02] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:28:08] The Musician: This maybe even could be a good place to wish our listeners well and our first podcast.
[00:28:19] The Writer: Oh yes. We wish you well. We wish you coffee today and tomorrow and the next day, and the next day, and the next day until we meet again.
[00:28:33] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:28:33] The Writer: Love you.