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Episode 8 Imperfection in Art
The beauty of mistakes, mutation, and making art anyway.
We are told to polish everything.
Edit the ums out.
Fix the wrong note.
Perfect the logo before you launch.
Smooth the voice.
Sharpen the edges.
But what if that instinct to correct everything is quietly suffocating the art?
In Episode 8, we explore imperfection not as failure, but as invitation.
A wrong note in jazz is only a half step away from becoming something beautiful. A crack in a singer’s voice can carry more truth than technical precision. A recording interruption might become the most memorable moment in the song.
We talk about Bob Ross and his gentle reminder that mistakes can become happy little clouds. We talk about musicians who left the “accident” in the track. We talk about creative anxiety versus destructive anxiety and how fear of imperfection can block the very thing we are trying to express.
There is a Japanese philosophy called wabi-sabi that honors beauty in the imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete. There is also the practice of repairing broken pottery with gold, highlighting the fracture instead of hiding it.
The break becomes the brilliance.
What if your flaws are not detours but doorways?
What if your art does not need to be flawless to be meaningful?
What if sustainability in creativity comes not from perfection, but from permission?
Permission to show up where you are.
Permission to release before you feel ready.
Permission to let the process be messy.
Perfection is exhausting. Exploration is alive.
When we allow imperfection, we stay in motion. We keep creating. We keep learning. We keep bending the wrong note until it sings.
Cheers to mutation.
Cheers to gold in the cracks.
Cheers to making art anyway.
Mentions and References
Bob Ross
Tom Waits
Beck
The B-52s
Jimi Hendrix
Frank Zappa
Sophie Burnham – For Writers Only
Beth Kempton – Wabi-Sabi
“Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working.” — Pablo Picasso
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[00:00:00] The Musician: Hey everybody.
[00:00:07] The Writer: I’m The Writer
[00:00:08] The Musician: and I’m The Musician.
[00:00:10] The Writer: Welcome everyone.
[00:00:12] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:00:12] The Writer: Cheers.
[00:00:22] The Writer: Mm. I love the warmth in my mouth when I take a sip of coffee.
[00:00:28] The Musician: Oh, yeah. What kind of coffee are we drinking today?
[00:00:32] The Writer: Oh, some Trader Joe’s coffee.
[00:00:34] The Musician: French roast.
[00:00:35] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:00:36] The Musician: Delicious
[00:00:37] The Writer: French. How do you say coffee in French.
[00:00:43] The Musician: Ha ha. C’est cafe.
[00:00:48] The Writer: Hmm cafe.
[00:00:49] The Writer: Ha ha.
[00:00:51] The Musician: Alright. Today we’re gonna talk about mistakes and we’re gonna make a lot of mistakes to prove a point of how wonderful it is to make mistakes [00:01:00] in your art.
[00:01:01] The Musician: The imperfection of art.
[00:01:03] The Writer: Yes. The beauty of imperfection
[00:01:08] The Musician: because most people are trying to use Photoshop and make pictures perfect, or trying to say, write something. You try and craft it so it’s perfect. You try and even edit a podcast and take out all the ums and the stutters, and you try and tighten things up.
[00:01:28] The Musician: I can’t remove that one. Leave it. Cut. Alright. I think that maybe there’s too much importance placed on perfection and art, trying to make it perfect and that can maybe even hurt your art
[00:01:47] The Writer: and in a way create a tension within, which a lot of what we create, the best things we create come from a state of relaxation and allowing [00:02:00] whatever wants to come through to be created. To be created, right? But when there’s so much pressure from this idea of perfecting something, then that really affects our quality.
[00:02:14] The Musician: And maybe you’re not even perfect, but good enough, and maybe your mistakes are good enough. I loved watching Bob Ross, and he’d always sort of help you be at ease with what you’re doing. He is trying to show you how to paint, but he is also relaxing you saying you might make a mistake, but just turn it into a happy little cloud or a happy little bush and just use the mistake and keep going.
[00:02:39] The Writer: And in a way I know that for me, when I, I experience some kind of a mistake or something that I didn’t necessarily plan for, there is an initial like, oh, Sheisse, oh no, like what did I do? But then all of a sudden there is something that comes in that’s like, alright, what am I gonna do with [00:03:00] this? What am I gonna turn it into? And it actually starts to become fun and playful.
[00:03:06] The Musician: Oh yeah, I had a piece of music and I played it for you. And there was one note you love. You said, oh, that’s a great note. How did you do that? And I’m like, that was an accident. I didn’t mean to do that. Yeah. It was a total, whoops. But it sounds beautiful. And and it was, it was
[00:03:20] The Writer: And you kept it.
[00:03:21] The Musician: Yeah. You keep it, you can choose to edit out all your mistakes and present your best self to your audience, or maybe you can even let them in and be more vulnerable mm-hmm.
[00:03:33] The Musician: By showing some of your imperfections and some of the mistakes. And, and, and you can, might invite people to do their own art by letting ’em know it’s okay to not be perfect, to not be the best, to not, you know, go for a certain aesthetic that’s possibly unattainable because can you even really do something perfect?
[00:03:58] The Writer: I love when I [00:04:00] hear people singing, for example, and I hear the cracks in their voice and hear this even a shakiness or like something
[00:04:10] The Musician: that’s Tom Waits.
[00:04:11] The Writer: Oh,
[00:04:11] The Musician: Tom Waits has a, I
[00:04:13] The Writer: love
[00:04:13] The Musician: a love it. Sort of a broken voice, but it’s
[00:04:15] The Writer: a brokenness.
[00:04:16] The Musician: It’s so beautiful
[00:04:17] The Writer: and it’s so true. There’s so much truth in that, and that’s the kind of art that touches something really deep in me.
[00:04:26] The Musician: Yes, I know that, uh, Beck had done an interview and Beck had said that while recording one time in the studio, somebody popped the door open and was delivering food or somebody said, the food is here, or your burrito is ready, or whatever they said
[00:04:46] The Writer: burrito,
[00:04:48] The Musician: Beck’s just like, leave it. Great. Part of the song naturally happened.
[00:04:52] The Musician: Let’s do it. Let’s just keep going. Uh,
[00:04:54] The Writer: did they like record with them chewing and eating the burrito too.
[00:04:59] The Musician: I think it’s [00:05:00] in the song. I think you can hear, I think there’s, I, I wish I could find it, but, but I think it’s in the song, you can actually hear somebody like pop the door, Hey, food’s here, what would be a mistake? But leave it and make it more natural. Uh, quote from Beck, anything goes. You always find interesting things that way.
[00:05:16] The Writer: Yeah. Make it become a part of the whole,
[00:05:19] The Musician: I know there’s a lot of musical examples, but in the B 52s. Love Shaq. Everyone’s favorite part of that song. She says, tin roof, rusted. That was outta time.
[00:05:34] The Musician: It was, she came in way too early and then the song goes,
[00:05:38] The Writer: I didn’t know that. It’s
[00:05:39] The Musician: a mistake.
[00:05:40] The Writer: Oh, and they left it,
[00:05:42] The Musician: left it, and left it. And it’s people’s favorite part of the song.
[00:05:45] The Writer: Oh my gosh.
[00:05:46] The Musician: So if they hadn’t, if they had fixed it like today in
[00:05:50] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:05:50] The Musician: in Pro Tools, if they had went in with their digital tools,
[00:05:54] The Writer: like Swords,
[00:05:54] The Musician: digital surgery, and, and fixed it and made it beautiful and perfect, it [00:06:00] wouldn’t be so rem, so memorable, so Beloved.
[00:06:04] The Writer: Oh, I love that. I love it. Yeah.
[00:06:08] The Musician: And maybe going into the artistic process, knowing that it’s okay to make mistakes, like you said, could reduce anxiety. That sort of fear of failure thinking, oh, I can’t do this. It’s like you can do it. ’cause even if you make a mistake, it might be the most wonderful thing you’ve done.
[00:06:27] The Writer: Yeah. I was reading a book this morning. It’s called For Writers Only. And it’s by Sophie Burnham, and she talks about these two forms of anxiety. One being destructive anxiety, and the other being creative anxiety. And perhaps the quality of imperfection and how people want to steer away from imperfection can maybe create so much anxiety that if someone isn’t that comfortable with imperfection [00:07:00] and allowing themselves to be imperfect in their art or in their life, then this could actually create a lot of anxiety. So in a way, the destructive anxiety can keep you awake at night, and it could keep you blocked from so many things of what you wanna create, like in your art or in your life.
[00:07:22] The Writer: And the creative anxiety is something you can actually use purposefully and intentionally use in order to move forward in your life. And I do wonder if being comfortable and learning to accept our imperfection can actually really help us in this way so that
[00:07:48] The Musician: yeah,
[00:07:48] The Writer: we know how to move forward.
[00:07:51] The Musician: Well, yeah, I, in this podcast, have a logo that I created and when I first made the logo, I liked [00:08:00] it, but there were mistakes and I kind of ignored it because I wanted to get going on the podcast and release episodes and really move forward. It was hard for me to let go because I have that sort of, maybe, I guess the destructive anxiety where,
[00:08:19] The Writer: oh,
[00:08:19] The Musician: oh, it’s not ready yet, so don’t release it. But
[00:08:22] The Writer: yeah,
[00:08:23] The Musician: I was like, it’s good enough.
[00:08:25] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:08:26] The Musician: to, to have a start, have a logo, to have something there.
[00:08:28] The Writer: Definitely.
[00:08:29] The Musician: I’ve since sharpened it up and I like it now. I like it a lot better, but I gave myself the freedom to fix it at the right time when I was ready. And if I had pressured myself, it would’ve delayed weeks, the release of the first podcast. So you’re welcome everybody.
[00:08:45] The Writer: Cheers
[00:08:45] The Musician: to all our listeners in Ireland.
[00:08:48] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:08:48] The Writer: Cheers. Tears.
[00:08:52] The Writer: Yeah. That fear of imperfection can really stop an artist from even beginning at [00:09:00] all,
[00:09:01] The Musician: something that I learned in jazz, there’s no such thing as mistakes because whatever note you play, you’re really only a half step away from the right note. Typically, in music theory, it’s a music thing to say that once you hit that air quotes wrong note, you really only have to bend it a little bit to make it right.
[00:09:24] The Writer: That’s not much at all. That must be comforting.
[00:09:28] The Musician: If you, it’s comforting, if you feel that otherwise you’re, you hit the wrong note and you, you freeze up and you’re done.
[00:09:34] The Writer: Oh, and you’re like hard on yourself and like
[00:09:37] The Musician: so hard on yourself
[00:09:38] The Writer: criticizing yourself. Oh.
[00:09:39] The Musician: Whereas somebody like Jimi Hendrix would play the note. He’d bend it and, and do something amazing and make it into beautiful art. Whereas somebody that didn’t know what they were doing hits that wrong note and the minute they bust it out, it sounds terrible. And stop. Let’s start over. And I can make it better. I can do it better. And the truth of the matter is, can you do it better?
[00:09:59] The Musician: [00:10:00] Maybe being in the moment is everything. Not waiting for the perfect moment. Now is always the perfect moment, so go forward in your art and seize all of your creative impulses and don’t let things stop you like if you’re painting, you make a bad stroke, make it into a nice, beautiful little cloud. If you’re in jazz and you make a wrong note, make it into a beautiful note.
[00:10:23] The Musician: So maybe we can make life beautiful by persisting and in our efforts to, to make art and keep going,
[00:10:30] The Writer: and by welcoming the process of it all,
[00:10:33] The Musician: welcoming the process. Beautiful. Beautifully said.
[00:10:36] The Writer: And get into it. Get into that process and then, you know, you come up against some corner or some wall, get into it, move through it, move around it,
[00:10:49] The Musician: and maybe we need a more emphasis on that.
[00:10:54] The Musician: The process is going to have pitfalls and potential [00:11:00] mistakes and imperfections. And how, how do you deal with that,
[00:11:04] The Writer: even self compassion or self?
[00:11:07] The Musician: Yes.
[00:11:08] The Writer: You know, self-love too. To be able to say, it’s all right. You know, just stand up, fall down. How many eight times get up nine.
[00:11:18] The Musician: Yes. It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up. As long as you get up one more time, then all the number of times you fell down, you’re gonna be okay. And don’t we find out anyway, eventually in life that we tend to keep getting up. There’s a, we do.
[00:11:38] The Writer: We do. And sometimes it takes a while. Sometimes it’s really fast. But, you know, keep breathing.
[00:11:46] The Musician: Just keep swimming,
[00:11:47] The Writer: keep, just keep swimming.
[00:11:50] The Writer: Oh yeah. The definition of Wabi-sabi. Is the [00:12:00] aesthetic is sometimes described as one of appreciating beauty that is imperfect and impermanent and incomplete in nature.
[00:12:08] The Musician: Wait, what was that word? Wasabi? Yeah.
[00:12:14] The Writer: Actually, in the Wikipedia definition of Wabi-sabi, it actually says at the top not to be confused with wasabi.
[00:12:22] The Musician: So don’t order Wabi-sabi, at your sushi place. It’s gonna be a mess.
[00:12:29] The Musician: Also, and
[00:12:29] The Writer: if you wanna like paint a painting,
[00:12:34] The Musician: try use the wasabi
[00:12:34] The Writer: method. Yeah, wasabi. Put it on your palette.
[00:12:37] The Musician: It’s a Japanese tradition to use wasabi, wabi-sabi.
[00:12:44] The Writer: Cheers.
[00:12:45] The Musician: Cheers. No, I love that concept. The Wabi-sabi and it values the beauty of imperfection and impermanence.
[00:12:55] The Writer: Oh. Which is, I think it’s something that [00:13:00] our brains even have a hard time wrapping itself around are these qualities, what you were saying earlier about the brokenness of the voice?
[00:13:10] The Musician: Mm-hmm.
[00:13:11] The Writer: There is this inherent brokenness, even just imperfection, incompleteness, impermanence. That makes, I know, it makes me feel a little shaky sometimes. But like if I can accept that and embrace that in my art, in myself, in my relationships, in my connections with strangers and people and everything, then I mean, it takes me to a different space, like in inside of myself and in connection with my humanity.
[00:13:44] The Musician: Maybe that flow state worrying about making a mistake might take you out of flow state and stop you from flowing through your artistic process and actually letting yourself flow through your [00:14:00] creative impulses
[00:14:02] The Writer: in a relaxed way
[00:14:03] The Musician: to get to the beauty of, of the art inside of you,
[00:14:08] The Writer: and even being able to be relaxed enough to be receptive to the art that just wants to come through you,
[00:14:16] The Musician: and maybe even finding more beauty in others’ arts by.
[00:14:21] The Musician: Allowing their mistakes, their imperfections, their brokenness and and whatever to make its way through you instead of wandering by and going, oh, well that’s not right. And then looking away and just moving on to the next piece. You see some mistake.
[00:14:35] The Writer: Alright. It could be better.
[00:14:36] The Musician: Yeah, it could be better. It could be judgment
[00:14:38] The Writer: be perfect.
[00:14:38] The Musician: Your judgment is maybe keeping you from that music or that piece of art, or that TV show or whatever it is. Your own opinion on your music and your own judgment of yourself and how hard we are on ourselves with our art and with our lives and everything could be that whole [00:15:00] mirror aspect that you’re mirroring or projecting.
[00:15:03] The Musician: And then you also, how hard you are on yourself or hard on other people’s art, and you’re judgmental about other people’s art, and it’s all sort of not productive for the world in general. To be so judgmental of yourself and judgmental of others, you might stop the flow and you might stop creativity, and you might just not be getting into what’s going on.
[00:15:28] The Musician: You stop yourself from the purest enjoyment. You only go halfway. You didn’t take it all in. You stopped and went, oh no, that’s not right. And you just moved on to something else that is more pleasing to you versus getting and letting it sit with you and maybe seeing what the artist was going through.
[00:15:47] The Writer: There’s a quote from a book called Wabi-Sabi by Beth Kempton, and in it she says, wabi-sabi is an intuitive response to beauty that reflects the true [00:16:00] nature of life. And I thought of this quote when you were talking about what you were talking about just now, because it is a sort of going against the nature of life when like describing what you were just saying with judgments and how going with the true nature of life or what’s in front of you and just being with it,
[00:16:23] The Musician: presence
[00:16:24] The Writer: present.
[00:16:25] The Writer: Be present with it.
[00:16:26] The Musician: Yeah.
[00:16:27] The Writer: I mean, that’s a whole new way of living right there.
[00:16:32] The Musician: Yeah. We,
[00:16:32] The Writer: and we’re not so in our head.
[00:16:33] The Musician: We might need these things, mutations or divergence or mistakes or imperfections. We might need all of this in life. Like a four-leaf clover is a mutant, but we call it lucky. We call it amazing.
[00:16:47] The Musician: We call it this wonderful thing. And why couldn’t all of the mistakes in our art be the four leaf clover?
[00:16:53] The Writer: Four leaf clovers,
[00:16:54] The Musician: the lucky clover? Lucky. I’m so lucky I made this mistake. I’m so lucky for all my [00:17:00] accidents.
[00:17:03] The Writer: Wow.
[00:17:04] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:17:05] The Writer: Cheers to four leaf clovers and mistakes and mutations
[00:17:09] The Musician: it So cheers to mutation.
[00:17:20] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:17:20] The Musician: to the mutants.
[00:17:22] The Writer: Cheers.
[00:17:23] The Musician: Maybe we’re all mutants like if we find our special weirdness that’s so unique. That’ll be our superpower, like the four leaf clover.
[00:17:36] The Writer: I love it. Cheers to all of us finding our weirdness, our superpower, weirdness,
[00:17:43] The Musician: our imperfections that make us beautiful.
[00:17:49] The Musician: Even like talking about Wabi-sabi, I know there’s another Japanese technique where. Something breaks and they repair it using gold and make [00:18:00] it more beautiful despite how broken and shattered it is. Like really like a, like a bowl and it shatters into pieces and they use gold along the cracks to put it back together. And now all the cracks are these golden filaments that just make this beautiful spider web that looks like some beautiful art created on purpose, but it was created by destruction and something that would be ruining the bowl, but instead they take that ruined bowl and make it beautiful using the gold. I forget the technique. I forget what it’s called. I,
[00:18:38] The Writer: and I love how they even like use this gold. This bright gold where it’s not even something that just blends really easily. It’s almost like they’re like purposefully just saying like, this is here. It happened.
[00:18:58] The Musician: Highlighting it.
[00:18:58] The Writer: Highlighting it, [00:19:00] and saying, don’t forget this. It’s a part of you. It’s a part of this bowl.
[00:19:07] The Musician: Wow.
[00:19:09] The Writer: There’s no denying it. There’s no looking away from it. There’s no. Like trying to hide it at all.
[00:19:17] The Musician: Right. Well, no. Accentuating it even.
[00:19:20] The Writer: Yeah,
[00:19:20] The Musician: even,
[00:19:21] The Writer: yeah. And even, yeah, accentuating
[00:19:23] The Musician: it, making it now even maybe the most beautiful part is the broken part
[00:19:27] The Writer: and gold. How that is something that’s actually
[00:19:31] The Musician: bling
[00:19:32] The Writer: bling. It’s, it’s, the part with that is, uh, has richness.
[00:19:38] The Musician: That’s
[00:19:39] The Writer: a brokenness has the richness,
[00:19:40] The Musician: gold teeth and grills and things like that. People don’t like their teeth. They put gold and diamonds in there and bling it up so there you go. Now,
[00:19:47] The Writer: yeah,
[00:19:48] The Musician: look at my teeth, you know, but looking at a gold tooth or something, that’s, that’s an imperfection, but fill it in with gold and it’s, it’s suddenly the most remarkable part of your mouth.
[00:19:59] The Writer: It’s not fucked [00:20:00] up anymore. It’s like it’s my, my crown.
[00:20:07] The Musician: I think there’s so much freedom that comes with embracing imperfections, mistakes, and especially when you talk about impermanence. Let’s say that you were at a level of perfection where everything you did artistically was the best. How long is that sustainable?
[00:20:28] The Musician: I think it’s way more sustainable to say that your art is gonna be imperfect over time than saying. It’s sustainable for me to be a higher level of perfection for years and years and years and years. And be the best,
[00:20:43] The Writer: yeah. To allow, to allow it to happen. That imperfection.
[00:20:49] The Musician: So maybe it’s not just each individual piece, you’re allowing the individual piece, but over time you’re allowing, you know, a compendium of work.
[00:20:58] The Musician: You’re allowing [00:21:00] all of this work to happen over years and years and years. That flow and that freedom. Uh, because the, that high level of standard wouldn’t be at attainable for a long period of time. It wouldn’t be sustainable. It, it’s more sustainable to think that you’re going to make mistakes than it would be sustainable to think, I’m going to make perfect art for years and years and years.
[00:21:23] The Musician: Make the best top quality art I can do over and over and over again.
[00:21:27] The Writer: That reminds me of like, you know, when we’re going through, say, a hard time in life. Maybe a person might not be at their very best for that period of time, or they’re in healing or they’re in growth. Just going through some transition.
[00:21:42] The Musician: Sure.
[00:21:43] The Writer: And like in order to kinda like find just all these gifts and strengths and things you discover and explore during that time, how necessary it is to go into the imperfect [00:22:00] parts of your growth or of
[00:22:01] The Musician: to To show up
[00:22:02] The Writer: your experience. Yeah.
[00:22:04] The Musician: Where you’re at
[00:22:04] The Writer: and show up just wherever you are. Like not even at your best, but somehow there’s some connection between that moment of imperfection and how that’s actually gonna help later on down the road in yourself, in your growth.
[00:22:23] The Musician: Right.
[00:22:24] The Writer: And right. Like right with art as well, to allow ourselves to just not even be at our best on some days when we show up to do our work, but somehow later on down the road, it comes all together and there’s something that happens along the way if we give it the space and the time and the patience.
[00:22:48] The Musician: Yes, I, I know that Frank Zappa as amazing a guitarist as he was. Was often unhappy with his solo or his tone or [00:23:00] something, striving to continue to make it better and better and better, but still producing. He still produced the art. He still put it out there, but he kept striving for better and he got better.
[00:23:12] The Musician: And I think it’s that movement, it’s that forward motion to say, here’s where I’m at. I didn’t like it that much, but you digest it. Here’s my art. Get into it and I’ll do more. And he even went back into the studio and took a solo from one song and put it onto another song and like reshaped and reframed his art to make it better and better and make it more of what he wanted.
[00:23:36] The Musician: But it takes that leap of doing the stuff that isn’t perfect and then hoping, like you said, over time to get down into a place where you’re really happy too, but not to let that stop you from showing yourself to the world as an artist.
[00:23:51] The Writer: Hmm. Yeah, we can’t let it stop any of us. And I know for me, like I can be hard on myself.
[00:23:59] The Musician: I [00:24:00] think we all can
[00:24:00] The Writer: and we all can.
[00:24:02] The Musician: You know, there’s a perfect blend to at least practicing through some glaring mistakes and being good enough, but also that balance of allowing some imperfections and some, so maybe there’s just balance like in life for everything to let some of it through. But overall, maybe you do need this, how we’re hard on ourselves to get better.
[00:24:30] The Writer: Oh,
[00:24:30] The Musician: but still to balance to,
[00:24:31] The Writer: that’s true.
[00:24:31] The Musician: Not let it stop you from the anxiety that we talked about, destructive anxiety, that’s not letting you, you need creative anxiety that says you might be judgmental and you might be trying to get better and you’re doing your best, but you leave some of it, let it go through so that you move forward and get to the next level.
[00:24:49] The Musician: And you keep leveling up through this conversation that you’re having with yourself and the universe through your art.
[00:24:56] The Writer: And if you do have [00:25:00] that fear of imperfection that comes up in a way, in that moment you can try to switch your brain or thoughts to passionate exploration.
[00:25:14] The Musician: Yes.
[00:25:15] The Writer: And to just try with all your might in your art, to just have fun exploring and seeing what you can learn or how you can get better, like what you’re saying, and just direct that energy towards exploring.
[00:25:33] The Writer: Cheers to exploring.
[00:25:36] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:25:42] The Musician: And isn’t that what exploration is? Is finding new places or finding new techniques or finding new things and you’re not gonna find those if you play it safe and do things, you know, are air quotes perfect, or things that are air quotes, [00:26:00] right. Really it’s take a wrong turn and look, I found this new place.
[00:26:08] The Musician: And so you’re exploring.
[00:26:10] The Writer: I love it
[00:26:10] The Musician: outside of the box, but you have to make a wrong turn. You have to go the wrong way. You kind of need people that, that are divergent to find new places
[00:26:20] The Writer: Yes,
[00:26:21] The Musician: to go with, with art and music and, and writing and everything. It’s exploration, which is flow and movement and.
[00:26:31] The Musician: Sometimes you’re gonna, you’re gonna cross lines, you’re gonna go over the bounds and you’re gonna find places that people haven’t been, and that could be scary and you could feel like it’s wrong. But then with artistic confidence
[00:26:43] The Writer: mm-hmm.
[00:26:44] The Musician: Nothing’s wrong and everything’s right. I guess to return back to, to what Beck had said, anything goes, you find interesting things in that way.
[00:26:54] The Writer: Oh, that just makes me so excited when I hear you say all of that. [00:27:00] It’s exciting.
[00:27:05] The Writer: It’s just exciting.
[00:27:06] The Musician: Isn’t art exciting?
[00:27:12] The Musician: Cheers.
[00:27:13] The Writer: Cheers so much. Cheers .
[00:27:22] The Musician: and there we have another wonderful episode we wanna thank everyone listening.
[00:27:27] The Writer: Oh, thank you so much. We love having you here to share in our words and our heart and our creations. Feel free to share anything that you create. We would love to see it.
[00:27:41] The Musician: Show us all your mistakes.
[00:27:43] The Writer: Yeah.
[00:27:44] The Musician: Misspell words in your email communication to us. Anything that you do, we’re gonna be very receptive obviously.
[00:27:52] The Writer: Please do. Please do. Love you all. [00:28:00] Bye.